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and good evening from philadelphia frank

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here with yet another episode of ufo

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news network sunday tonight coming to

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on a tuesday night and that probably

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won't get the show uploaded until

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uh wednesday mornings but uh we're all

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ready to go with a fabulous

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guest and let me introduce to introduce

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the guest

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my fabulous co-host chad hannah how are

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you tonight chant

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hello frank how are you doing this

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finally ready to go we're ready to go

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very excited ready to go i'm ready to go

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we have a fabulous

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guest he wrote a really wonderful paper

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and that we're going to go ahead and go

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over with him very carefully

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among a few other topics frank milburn

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is our special guest tonight he's a

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strategic and operational advisor

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a former intelligence officer he is an

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alumnus of sandhurst in the london

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school of economics

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he has previously written for the middle

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east economic survey

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the combating terrorism center at west

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point and the institute for national

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at uh tel aviv university i wanted to

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give a little bit more background on our

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special guest

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from the late 80s through the late 90s

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uh frank you

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joined uh the military at the age of 17

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got picked up for officer training went

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on to a university

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you then became involved in intelligence

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work you've also been involved in

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journalism corporate investigations oil

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and gas securities

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assisting companies working in fragile

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states and hostile environments

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for the past three years you have been

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collecting organizing and researching

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topic into national studies slash

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academia related fields moving along

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here you wrote a short article for the

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begin sadat center last year on iran

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you are not affiliated with the begin

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sadat center which is a globally ranked

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non-partisan national security and

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strategic studies think tank connected

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to barulan university

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which is also israel's largest

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university

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that short article you authored on iran

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was the beginning of your relationship

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towards approaching the begin sadat

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center with the proposal to publish

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this fascinating uap related paper isn't

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that correct frank

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yeah good evening to you guys all right

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good morning to you guys from here

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thank you for the very gracious intro um

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yes the

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article that i did on iran for the

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beginnings of that center was uh

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really my was my first piece for them

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and when i actually did that i had no

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i'd be approaching them sort of like a

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with a proposal to actually write a much

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longer paper on uap

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um but happily surprised when they took

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me up on it and that they were

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sort of open-minded to it but that

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obviously i didn't have to frame it very

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strategic studies terms and for the

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readership there and

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to get it past their editorial board uh

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really quick frank uh who is the

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intended audience

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when you're writing a paper for the

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center well that's a good point um

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for there i mean obviously you want to

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beginnings to that center will be people

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academics who are interested in you know

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um so beggins to that center was well

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known to me before because

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i had an interest for example i had a

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long-standing interest in the middle

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east and i was you know sort of looked

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thanks for information because you know

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they're located right in the heart of

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so that was a an obvious uh first point

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well i have many questions so frank if

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now it's up to you uh no just uh go

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we'll uh we'll just uh play it as it

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comes sure okay well i want to

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ask a question i actually know the

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answer to but for listeners sake

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uh so frank can have the opportunity to

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answer it i'm going to go ahead and

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preface this question first with an

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that was actually published by the new

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york post titled harry reid

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claims u.s government is hiding key

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evidence of ufo encounters by

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lee brown on october 13th of this year

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and i'm just going to read a tiny bit of

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claimed in a new

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documentary the phenomenon that there's

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more than one up there

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and even believes they may have

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interfered with american weapons

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asked if he was saying that there's some

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evidence that there still haven't uh

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hasn't seen the light of day he said

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i'm saying most of it hasn't seen the

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we have it it's there he continued on

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and uh basically he's just saying

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they did everything they could to stop

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the program from going forward

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they wanted nothing to do with this reid

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said that the government's resistance

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to his program trying to expose the

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truth nobody has to agree why it's

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there but shouldn't we at least be

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spending some money to study all of

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these phenomena

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shouldn't we study this stuff the answer

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is yes that's all this was about

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and why the federal government all these

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years has covered up put brake pads on

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i think it's very very bad for our

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country reid said now i just wanted to

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mention something and then ask you a

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i've noticed in these articles that reed

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and others appear to vacillate at times

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non-human related technology or

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some governments around the world are

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material that they have in their

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which i referenced in the paper and also

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emails that i presented in

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my paper and it would seem to be that

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possession but they're having a very

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them and leveraging those technologies

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for advances now my understanding

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if there was et topic um isn't that

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phenomena task force i mean it hasn't

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been set up to be you know a

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quite consistently they are basically

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projecting engineering physics four to

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very much an intent that they want to

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understand these technologies and that

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industrial base to actually be able to

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reproduce these technologies

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now what i'm about to ask you a start

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before but i would like to know

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if you feel or think it's possible from

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that the u.s government or any

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government around the world

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related technology

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well effectively eric davis has said

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that they that they do uh also

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luis elizondo has said on uh you know

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tucker carlson that they have you know

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debris from

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uh you know from uh something that is uh

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uh terrestrial shall we say so okay

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there are there's no private enterprise

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private sector companies aerospace and

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defense companies um quite possibly

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um eric davis is within his you know

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what they call stovepipe he might

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not necessarily know what's going on in

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other parts of the government because as

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compartmentalization the right hand does

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parts of the us government don't all

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have the full picture

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just to jump in really quick here frank

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uh debris is a little bit different than

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uh fully functioning technology when

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they're talking debris i'm sure

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generally they're talking about their

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wreckage

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they might be able to get something out

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of it in terms of the material aspect of

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it

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but that goes a long way uh from uh

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turning that into a full understanding

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of how the propulsion any potential

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propulsion works how

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any potential avionics work um

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do you hold out the possibility that the

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knowing the technology is something that

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they're just saying in order to

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get more funding i'm sorry can you

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just rephrase that i didn't understand

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the last bit of the question uh yeah uh

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having debris and having a fully

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functional craft are two different

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things

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uh back in the

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the roswell days how they worked was if

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you had debris

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it went to wright patterson air force

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base where they had uh

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access to the type of labs could go over

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uh the debris and maybe

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see if there was a anything interesting

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in the engineering of the materials that

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type of thing

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if let's say a pilot defected and they

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had a fully functioning aircraft okay

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uh where they would take it out to uh

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what's now uh edwards air force base

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where they could actually figure out how

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to fly it and uh

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you know use it so uh those are two

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different things uh do you think there's

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a possibility that

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there's a little bit of a chicanery

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going on in terms of saying

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they've got a little bit more than they

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really have in order to get more funding

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well if you read what he actually says

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in the rochas interview he says

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the crash retrieval program is very

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small blah blah then he says i do know

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that the program was terminated in 1989

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uh for lack of progress and reverse and

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engineering anything that they had

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any of the hardware that they had and

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they'll resurrect it

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maybe every so often so many years will

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go by and then they'll try it again

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okay so they're saying that so you're

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saying there that they've got some

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hardware

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now whether that's parts of a craft or

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whether that's like you know a complete

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craft i don't know

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but i think the key point is saying that

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you know they're not having they're not

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having a lot of success

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um in uh in developing that technology

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for use

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now if they had a let's say for example

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an entire craft and they've managed to

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you know reverse engineer it or they've

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managed to get it to work and they've

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managed to replicate it

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then the question that i'd be asking is

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then you know how long ago did that

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happen and if it happened like i don't

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know

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say two decades ago why haven't they

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used it in uh you know modern wars that

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america has been involved in

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if they had you know such decisive

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technology so that's another question

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that i'd have

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okay i wanted to also ask you there have

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been reports of ufos possibly or

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seeming to render nuclear related

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facilities powerless

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do you think it's possible any nuclear

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facility

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has been incapacitated by anything that

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is

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of not uh of man-made of not man-made

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origin

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and in addition to that idea and not uh

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human basically i think uh

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what i'm trying to ask is do you feel

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that it's possible any nuclear

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related facility has been rendered

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useless by something that is not

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human in origin yeah i think uh

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you know almost definitely if you look

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at the work of uh

389
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robert hastings um if you look at the

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testimony of

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uh you know the u.s air force uh missile

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control officers

393
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uh if at what eric davis is saying in

394
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the alejandra rockas interview

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um that i that i referenced there's

396
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there's very definitely something there

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that

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doesn't appear to be chinese or russian

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that's interfering um

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with uh you know american icbms and if

401
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you go to the russian extent

402
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they've had something you know uh

403
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interfering with their

404
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um strategic nuclear facilities that

405
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isn't american so

406
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okay um the other question i'm not sure

407
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but it doesn't seem to be of terrestrial

408
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uh

409
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you the other question i had in relation

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to this topic is uh

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do you think it's possible these nuclear

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facilities have been stopped

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uh from working by an unknown

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or not man-made force uh

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due to the threat of war um

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so let me explain that a little bit

417
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better it's it's a it's a fictional

418
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scenario hypothetical scenario i'm gonna

419
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set up here

420
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let's just pretend some country wants to

421
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create a war with another country and

422
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somehow it's uh an e.t presence is privy

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to that

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do you think it's possible that an et

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presence could actually

426
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stop war from happening between two

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countries

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and that uh in addition to that that

429
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that may have been stopped before

430
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without our realizing it or knowing it

431
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i i well i mean if you look at the the

432
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russian case that happened in ukraine i

433
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mean

434
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the the nuclear countdown was started

435
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and

436
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uh you know nuclear was only very uh

437
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very narrowly averted um i think the

438
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question is there well

439
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what is the uh motivation behind the

440
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intelligence that did that

441
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is it because they're trying to stop

442
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humans uh using nuclear weapons and

443
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basically destroying the planet

444
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or is there another view that would say

445
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that they are basically you know testing

446
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um sort of nuclear facilities and

447
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the capabilities of terrestrial powers

448
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as a prelude as a reconnaissance

449
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effectively and as a prelude to uh you

450
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know carrying out more malignant actions

451
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whichever way you look at it it will be

452
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pretty conservative disconcerting for

453
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the powers involved

454
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that had their uh you know their nuclear

455
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weapons interfered with

456
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um if you look at as well at um colonel

457
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john alexander's book you know there's

458
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the whole question of accidental nuclear

459
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war

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by misstating and misinterpreting uh

461
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sensor data where ufos are basically

462
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being mistaken for nuclear missiles so

463
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that's uh that's another option there

464
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thank you it's also been speculated by

465
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various folks um in and outside the ufo

466
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community

467
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that it uh well wondered whether

468
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it's possible if et's or some kind of et

469
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civilization or civilizations are using

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nuclear facilities for some kind of

471
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energy seeking

472
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a type of thing but that's just uh pure

473
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hype uh

474
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postulating i suppose speculating anyway

475
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the other question i wanted to ask you

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is uh

477
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i'll go ahead and preface it with this

478
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uh statements as a few statements that

479
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you made

480
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recently you said the problem with the

481
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terrestrial solution

482
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uh for these platforms is chinese

483
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the chinese have reverse engineered them

484
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and then sold these

485
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knockoffs is the chinese the

486
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chinese still have issues with their

487
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fifth gen fighters they're underpowered

488
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among other possible issues

489
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you've also stated if the chinese have

490
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tic tac tuck

491
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one would have expected them to sort out

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their conventional engines by now

493
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and that basically wanted to ask if you

494
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can expand upon

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that kind of uh those topics right there

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basically the idea is

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if china russia and iran and other

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countries

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had tic tac technology they wouldn't be

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going through all these efforts

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to try and um say take over other

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countries or

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the hard work that it would entail um by

504
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the kinds of

505
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efforts they make to wield their power

506
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they would just use the tic tac

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technology

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to um get what they want faster

509
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is that uh is that the idea yeah

510
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absolutely i mean the point with the

511
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the fifth generation chinese aircraft is

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they're still reliant on buying uh

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russian engines for them because they

514
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haven't perfected the engine technology

515
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for their fifth generation aircraft

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so the question that i ask i posit is

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well if the chinese for example

518
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if they had a if they had tic tac tech

519
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and if if it was if it were working for

520
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them

521
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then you know if they can sort that out

522
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then they'd certainly be able to sort

523
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out conventional jet engines you know

524
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albeit high performance jet engines and

525
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certainly

526
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um china is by no means a status quo

527
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power so if they had technic

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technology and and they were actually

529
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had you know working platforms

530
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you know they'd have been able to roll

531
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over india by now they would have rolled

532
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over taiwan

533
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they'd be able to uh you know completely

534
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uh you know deny the whole of the

535
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you know south china sea to uh you know

536
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to the american navy

537
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um but you know basically they'd use the

538
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technology there's a very interesting

539
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story out of iran from the 1976 tehran

540
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case

541
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and the pilot was actually the second

542
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pilot was involved in the intersect of

543
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ufos near tehran

544
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he's asked a few days later by the then

545
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shah of iran he said well what in the

546
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shah also

547
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where do you think these things come

548
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from and the pilot says well i don't

549
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think that they're terrestrial in origin

550
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because if they were whoever had them

551
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you know would have mastery of the earth

552
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yes and that's extremely insightful to

553
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say

554
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isn't it um yeah let me uh let me jump

555
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in

556
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over your paper uh one

557
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thing that i got was uh you know

558
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obviously considering the audience it

559
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was a very uh

560
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threat centric and uh we've talked about

561
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the military aspect of any potential

562
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threat from

563
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uh uh from these vehicles but uh one

564
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thing that i'm really

565
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curious about is you know what if at the

566
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end of the day all this is true that

567
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some of these

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advanced uh aircraft are

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extraterrestrial in nature

570
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:33,919
uh what are your thoughts about that i

571
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:36,000
mean that that presents a different kind

572
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:38,400
of threat to the status quo really for

573
00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:41,679
uh any government on earth well first i

574
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:42,480
mean first of all

575
00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:44,400
yeah i focused you know as i talked a

576
00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:46,160
lot about the threat because the people

577
00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:46,480
are

578
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:48,320
i was uh you know referencing and

579
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:49,440
interviewing were talking about the

580
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:50,240
threat

581
00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:52,799
and um you look at the paper i was

582
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:54,080
writing for i was writing for you

583
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:55,679
a begins to that center for strategic

584
00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:57,600
study so they look you know like you

585
00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:57,919
know

586
00:20:01,510 --> 00:20:00,480
the the military strategic and situation

587
00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:01,520
in the middle east and globally and

588
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:02,880
geopolitics so that's going to be the

589
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:04,080
stuff that they're interested in

590
00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:06,000
uh obviously uh you know the united

591
00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:07,840
states military the uk military they

592
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:09,440
need to justify you know spending and

593
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:11,280
budgets in terms of threat

594
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:14,000
um and it really depends what is the

595
00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:15,360
source of threat okay so

596
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:16,799
there's you know this two different

597
00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:18,880
schools of thought are

598
00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:20,400
other intelligences whether they're

599
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:22,000
extraterrestrial or from another

600
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:23,840
dimension or from wherever which we

601
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:25,200
still don't know or most of us don't

602
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:26,000
know

603
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:28,080
um do they have benign intentions or do

604
00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:29,520
they have malign intentions they

605
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:31,280
certainly have the capability to have

606
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:33,120
to present a threat if they want to be a

607
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:34,559
threat it depends on what their

608
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:36,240
intentions are but without knowing

609
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:38,080
exactly who or what they are

610
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:39,600
and you know potentially where they come

611
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:41,679
from it's very difficult to assign

612
00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:44,559
um you know intentions to them if you

613
00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:46,000
can't assign intentions and it's very

614
00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:47,360
difficult to say are they a threat or

615
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:48,320
are they not a threat

616
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:50,720
but clearly if you have a situation

617
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:51,520
where

618
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:54,159
you have incursions kind of at will over

619
00:20:58,950 --> 00:20:56,080
sensitive sites over you know where

620
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:58,960
you know carrier strike groups and these

621
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:00,559
these craft effectively operating with

622
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:02,720
impunity and far out pacing and far out

623
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:04,000
performing anything that

624
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:06,320
uh terrestrial powers have then clearly

625
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:07,679
they have a capability that could be a

626
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:13,350
uh going back just a little bit i also

627
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:14,799
wanted to include uh

628
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:18,159
interesting statement you had made

629
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:20,559
regarding chinese espionage efforts and

630
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:22,240
how russia and china are interested in

631
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:23,360
tick-tock tech

632
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:26,400
uh you've also under uh uh stated never

633
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:27,600
underestimate

634
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:31,679
uh the uh the power of your advertisers

635
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:34,240
and um or basically never underestimate

636
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:34,799
your

637
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:36,960
adversaries and you mentioned how the

638
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:39,039
chinese are making considerable advances

639
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:40,720
in other types of tech

640
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:43,440
such as quantum computing for one can

641
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:44,080
you touch on

642
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:46,960
any other part or all of that yeah i

643
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:47,360
mean

644
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,919
quite clearly the chinese have got that

645
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:51,120
they've you know demonstrated clear

646
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:52,720
intent that they want to supplant the

647
00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:55,200
united states as the preeminent

648
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:57,760
uh global actor both in economic terms

649
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:58,720
military terms

650
00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:00,559
and in technological terms and they've

651
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:02,559
devoted huge amounts of resources

652
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:03,280
towards

653
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:11,039
if the chinese have those aims then

654
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:13,520
any technology that provides uh you know

655
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:14,640
capabilities that are

656
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:16,080
basically battle winning that provide

657
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:17,679
total battle space awareness total

658
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:19,039
battle space dominance

659
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:20,720
and that have you know the the six or

660
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,720
seven observables then that's going to

661
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:24,480
be absolute goldust for anybody who

662
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:26,880
wants to advance their military goals

663
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:30,400
yeah okay so wanted to know if you could

664
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:32,320
go over the following topic and that is

665
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:33,919
if any organization or country

666
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:37,200
had the tic tac tech we wouldn't see

667
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:39,360
the chinese and the russians or possibly

668
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:40,640
other countries such as

669
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:43,760
the us all would not be uh involved

670
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:45,120
we've actually gone over this but the

671
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:46,799
various efforts they would take

672
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:50,159
um in order to maybe uh

673
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:52,159
take over another country i wanted to

674
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:53,280
just go over this again if you don't

675
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:54,400
mind just a little bit

676
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:57,919
examples are russia or china taking over

677
00:23:02,710 --> 00:22:59,679
other countries like

678
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:02,720
taiwan for example

679
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:05,919
and also any special tic tac technology

680
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,720
if they had access to that technology

681
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:10,559
they wouldn't be using such overwhelming

682
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:13,200
amounts of manpower to try and

683
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:15,440
fulfill other goals um you stated that

684
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:17,280
the chinese you just said

685
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:20,320
would have ruled over taiwan and india

686
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:22,799
if they had tic tac technology and

687
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:24,480
you've also mentioned how electronic

688
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:26,960
warfare nuke subs hypersonic missiles

689
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:29,840
have been prioritized can you talk about

690
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,280
any of that

691
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:33,600
yeah i was basically with um the

692
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:35,520
prioritization i was talking about the

693
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:37,120
uh you know the russian military

694
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,640
that you know they've suffered greatly

695
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:40,400
since uh the end of the cold war so

696
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:41,760
they've very much in the last kind of

697
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:43,120
decade they've had to prioritize well

698
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:44,159
the last two decades

699
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:46,159
they had to prioritize very much uh what

700
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,760
they put their money into

701
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,679
um if you look at your russian activity

702
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:51,760
in ukraine you know around the baltics

703
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:53,440
there's no doubt in my mind that if they

704
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,600
had access to game-changing technology

705
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,120
and not just the technology itself like

706
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:59,520
sitting in a laboratory and you know one

707
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:00,880
platform that they could use but if they

708
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:02,559
could actually deploy it multiple

709
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:03,200
platforms

710
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,720
there's no doubt in my mind that by now

711
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:06,159
they would have reconstituted the former

712
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,960
soviet union

713
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,640
and the same goes for china if they had

714
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:10,159
access to these platforms then

715
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:11,279
you know they wouldn't be worried about

716
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:12,720
india they wouldn't be worried about

717
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:14,000
vietnam they wouldn't be worried about

718
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:14,559
japan

719
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:15,919
they wouldn't be worried about you know

720
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:17,840
the south china sea and all their uh you

721
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:19,360
know their territorial claims they just

722
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:20,320
go ahead and take them

723
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:21,360
and you know nobody would be able to

724
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,360
stand in their part if they have their

725
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:25,200
technology they would use it

726
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,600
i had a kind of an interesting idea i

727
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:29,039
had never thought of before that

728
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:30,640
occurred to me today that i wanted to

729
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:33,279
ask you about and that is uh do you feel

730
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:35,120
it is possible or think it's possible

731
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:37,039
the reason why first world

732
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:38,640
countries or other kinds of countries

733
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:40,159
want to go to the moon

734
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:43,760
and mine uh past or and or mine

735
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:46,159
asteroids is to get the kind of material

736
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:47,440
they feel they may need

737
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:51,039
in order to create uh the tic tac

738
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:52,000
technology

739
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:53,760
if they're privy to that do you think

740
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,000
that might be one of their goals

741
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:58,320
um you know you'd be best off asking a

742
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:59,520
scientist that but i mean it's not

743
00:25:01,430 --> 00:25:00,000
beyond

744
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:01,440
the realms of possibility but i mean

745
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:02,799
there's you know there's plenty of

746
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:03,840
minerals out there

747
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:06,880
that uh you know will provide any

748
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:09,360
any country or court and or corporation

749
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:10,720
that can mine them and bring them back

750
00:25:14,750 --> 00:25:12,000
like huge amounts of money so there's

751
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,760
probably a you know just as much a more

752
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:16,799
prosecute motive or you have a profit

753
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:17,440
motive

754
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:21,520
they can fly i wonder i'll go for it

755
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:23,679
i'm sorry you you can't out there i

756
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,120
apologize that you were done

757
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,600
i asked because i was just wondering if

758
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:29,360
perhaps there are any

759
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:33,279
rare uh materials uh involved in the tic

760
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:33,760
tac

761
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:38,240
technology

762
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:40,400
um perhaps maybe those rare kinds of

763
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:42,080
materials could be found

764
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:45,360
on asteroids or the moon that's pretty

765
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,720
much why i asked but

766
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:48,480
anyway i did have another question for

767
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:50,240
you and this question is from earl grey

768
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:51,679
who's the assistant state director of

769
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:53,039
southern california

770
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:55,279
he's a chief field investigator and

771
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:57,120
among other things regarding the topic

772
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:57,520
of

773
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:00,880
uaps he said here's my question

774
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:03,679
reading jack sarfati's quote the strong

775
00:26:06,350 --> 00:26:05,600
gravity near field distortions will

776
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:06,360
blend

777
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:08,480
electromagnetic waves bouncing off the

778
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:09,279
tic tac

779
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:11,360
causing apparent mirage shape shifting

780
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:12,720
and even stealth club

781
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,679
cloaking it desired by the controlling

782
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:17,520
probably full conscious

783
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:20,400
ai post quantum computer autonomous

784
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:20,960
drone

785
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:24,080
end of quote does frank believe this is

786
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:25,200
why the tic-tac

787
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:28,000
can go at such fast speeds reportedly

788
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:29,360
mach 18

789
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:31,760
doing said nine degree turns without

790
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:33,360
harming the pilot

791
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,080
because the pilot is non-organic does

792
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:38,640
frank believe that most ufos are piloted

793
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:39,440
by ais

794
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:41,360
so i'll just ask you he asked a few

795
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:42,960
questions here let me ask the first one

796
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:43,600
to you

797
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:46,559
and that is does frank believe this is

798
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,640
why the tic tac can go at such fast

799
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,880
speeds reportedly mach 18

800
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:52,960
doing sudden 90-degree turns without

801
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:55,520
harming the pilot

802
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:57,520
from what i understand from uh jack

803
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:58,559
sofatti and

804
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:00,320
you know at the end of the day he and

805
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:02,799
eric davis would be the best people to

806
00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:04,640
direct these queries to and you can look

807
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:06,760
at jacksonville's papers on

808
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,880
academia.com uh from what i understand

809
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:10,559
from jacksonville to use it the tic tac

810
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,919
creates basically like a localized walk

811
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:13,279
bubble so that means that basically

812
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:14,720
within the craft

813
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,720
it has maybe like a 1g environment which

814
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:18,320
means that whatever g is going on around

815
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:19,600
the craft it doesn't affect

816
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:21,440
the pilot if if there were in fact you

817
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:22,880
know biological entities

818
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:24,480
within the craft i mean it can very well

819
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:26,080
be that they are you know completely the

820
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:27,919
autonomous ai and there's no

821
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:31,919
biological entity within the crop okay

822
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:34,000
yeah let me jump in here with a quick

823
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:35,919
question uh going uh through your paper

824
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:36,480
frank

825
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,520
uh i saw a quote that uh i'm kind of

826
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:41,360
chuckling to myself about it because it

827
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:44,080
i think it's pretty accurate uh a very

828
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:46,080
simple system is available to grade

829
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:46,880
sources and

830
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:49,440
information and the ufology would

831
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:52,159
benefit greatly from its application

832
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:54,080
then you go on regarding a source

833
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:55,840
reliability is graded from

834
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:59,440
a to f a being completely reliable f

835
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:02,080
can't be judged information is graded

836
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:02,480
from

837
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:05,520
one to five again one being

838
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:08,159
confirmed by other sources to five

839
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:09,360
cannot be judged

840
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,520
if a source chooses to remain anonymous

841
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:13,120
then neither the source nor the

842
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:13,919
information

843
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,000
he or she provides can be assured in

844
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:18,240
public so any claim based on either

845
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,440
remains a

846
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,840
theory or a supposition i thought that

847
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:23,440
that was uh really interesting and i

848
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:24,159
know

849
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:26,320
part of what you do is uh sort of uh

850
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:28,159
digging through data

851
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:30,240
acquiring information that sort of thing

852
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:31,520
uh can you

853
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:33,279
expound on that a little bit because i

854
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,640
think it's pretty interesting and uh

855
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,240
pretty good advice

856
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:38,000
yeah i mean that basically comes from

857
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:39,919
sort of like a bog standard uh

858
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:43,679
you know nato um nato methodology for

859
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:44,799
assessing uh

860
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,720
uh sources and the information that they

861
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:48,000
provide following

862
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:49,440
ufology is that you know there's so much

863
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,679
kind of like out there

864
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:53,520
providing completely unsubstantiated

865
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:55,039
claims um

866
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:57,200
i mean for example it's not a criticism

867
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,720
but for example you know with the wilson

868
00:29:00,870 --> 00:29:00,000
documents that i reference it's like

869
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,880
well you know

870
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,880
he said this or i know somebody who said

871
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:04,320
this and they're a very credible source

872
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,640
well

873
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:06,000
you know i need to know who that source

874
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:07,679
is and that way i can assess whether

875
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,880
whether they're credible and whether the

876
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:10,799
information they provide is credible and

877
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,360
i think

878
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:13,200
if they were if they were more of that

879
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,799
you know actually you know pinning down

880
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:16,880
who or what the source is and and then

881
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:18,320
comparing you know and then assessing

882
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:19,120
the information

883
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:20,399
and comparing that with informa with

884
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:21,760
credible information that's been

885
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,559
assessed

886
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:24,640
correctly from other sources then

887
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:26,000
there'd be uh you know a lot more sort

888
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:27,600
of positivity and mythology

889
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,039
in case instead of just you know what

890
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:31,679
i've said is is theory and supposition

891
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:34,640
which doesn't really help anybody yeah

892
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:36,640
just uh just for your information uh

893
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:37,360
chant

894
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:39,200
uh just uh for your information that

895
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:40,640
we've done a lot of digging

896
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:43,600
on the wilson documents and uh some of

897
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:46,159
it uh very interestingly checks out and

898
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:47,840
some of it does not

899
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,520
uh just uh really uh really quick uh

900
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,360
just to follow up

901
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:55,679
as far as when you're uh trying to dig

902
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:56,720
through information

903
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:58,960
uh what happens if you get that sort of

904
00:30:01,750 --> 00:29:59,760
mixed bag

905
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:01,760
you know some some things check out some

906
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:02,960
things don't i mean

907
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,440
how do you uh do you break it apart do

908
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,440
you do you judge the whole package and

909
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:10,080
say uh a to f4 do you say well this

910
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:11,520
checks out and this doesn't

911
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:13,120
i mean we run into a lot of that in the

912
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:14,559
ufo racket too

913
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:16,480
uh especially with the uh the wilson

914
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:17,840
documents yes

915
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:19,039
yeah yeah there's a lot of things that

916
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:20,799
you know that they're not going to check

917
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:21,120
out

918
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:24,399
furious opposition i

919
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,679
shouldn't what i should really have said

920
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:27,440
is it really depends on the theory i

921
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:28,799
mean some people come out with like you

922
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:30,320
know fascinating theories

923
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:32,159
um but they they don't provide any proof

924
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:33,039
to them but that doesn't mean the

925
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:34,240
theories aren't valid

926
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:36,159
uh are not valid and then they're not

927
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:37,840
worth um you know further

928
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:40,720
exploration um richard dolan he's just

929
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:41,279
uh

930
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:43,279
written a fantastic new book alien

931
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:45,679
agendas um

932
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:47,760
some of that touches on the work of

933
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:50,320
david jacob now david jacobs he's done

934
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:52,080
for example he's done you know thousands

935
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:53,520
and thousands of regressions to me he's

936
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:54,720
very very credible

937
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:57,039
um but can you definitely prove that the

938
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:58,720
information that he's derived from those

939
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:59,360
regressions

940
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:01,600
is you know 100 accurate i don't know

941
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:02,960
but it's definitely a very very

942
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:04,399
interesting theory and i'm definitely

943
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:06,720
interested to know more

944
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:09,039
now you can have a situations for

945
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:10,799
example where you've got a

946
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:13,039
very reliable source okay you know who

947
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:14,640
the source is maybe they want to remain

948
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:16,399
anonymous for their own reasons and you

949
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,679
respect that

950
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:19,679
and uh they've heard something that they

951
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:21,039
believe but

952
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:22,960
they could be honestly mistaken i mean

953
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:24,720
that this sort of uh

954
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:26,960
parsing through uh information can be

955
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,880
very very tricky in circumstances like

956
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:30,960
that can it not

957
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:32,559
yeah absolutely and that's why you kind

958
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:33,919
of want to triangulate the information

959
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:34,399
so

960
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:36,159
that if you do have a fantastic you know

961
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:37,519
somebody who comes out with something an

962
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:39,200
extraordinary claim but they are a very

963
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,240
credible source

964
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:42,159
but you they they they're on their own

965
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:43,600
cannot prove that uh

966
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:46,000
that information what you know then you

967
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:47,200
have a need to cross check it with

968
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:47,760
another

969
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,480
reliable source the conclusion i came to

970
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:52,880
on the wilson docks which frank knows uh

971
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:53,919
so well

972
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:56,880
uh that i actually researched for a very

973
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,679
long time

974
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:59,440
from the point it actually hit the

975
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:00,799
internet uh

976
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:04,240
on basically until recently uh was that

977
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:04,880
it uh

978
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:07,679
is not authentic in its entirety as it

979
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:08,640
stands

980
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,880
um i did yeah and uh just to jump in

981
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:12,000
there since uh frank

982
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:14,080
uh obvi yeah i wouldn't be aware of our

983
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:15,279
work and all that

984
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:18,480
but uh yeah it uh to

985
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:21,600
accept it as a legitimate document uh

986
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:24,000
i i certainly wouldn't do that but uh we

987
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:26,799
found over the years in the ufo field

988
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:29,039
that a lot of times there are players

989
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:30,240
and uh some of them are

990
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:32,960
uh former intel guys and i don't know if

991
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,720
his name has come up but a guy named

992
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:36,720
richard dodie i don't know if you've

993
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:39,760
uh come across that name in the past who

994
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:42,080
who will uh you know uh who will uh put

995
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:43,279
out the uh some

996
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:45,519
uh fact-based fiction now some of the

997
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:46,960
facts really do check out

998
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:48,960
and it's very well researched but you're

999
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:50,320
also finding uh

1000
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:52,720
uh you know there's a a good bit of

1001
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:54,399
fiction in there and to take it

1002
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:57,519
uh as a literal truth is a kind of a

1003
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:58,240
mistake

1004
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:00,880
i guess you're using a a sort of a a

1005
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,960
biblical parallel you can get some value

1006
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,720
out of the bible without necessarily

1007
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:06,559
believing that the universe was created

1008
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,679
in six days

1009
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:09,679
so that's the best analogy i can come up

1010
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:10,799
with uh

1011
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,640
you know anything else you can tell i

1012
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:14,159
mean you've got the intelligence

1013
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:15,039
background you

1014
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:17,440
uh you've made a career out of uh

1015
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,559
ferreting through what

1016
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:20,880
i'm sure is oftentimes uh even a bigger

1017
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:21,760
mess than

1018
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:24,080
uh what we deal with in ufology uh

1019
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:26,080
anything any other advice anything else

1020
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:27,760
you can share with us on that

1021
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:28,960
well i'll just say i mean yeah i mean

1022
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:31,279
with the daily example i mean he was a

1023
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:33,039
air force officer special investigations

1024
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,559
officer so um

1025
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:36,240
if i'm not if i'm not incorrect so part

1026
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:37,679
of his remit would have been basically

1027
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:39,039
to uh you know to provide this

1028
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:40,159
information so that

1029
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,840
perhaps if there were a you know a top

1030
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:43,440
secret uh terrestrial

1031
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:45,440
you know exotic project to make people

1032
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:46,720
think that it was a ufo

1033
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:49,120
so that you know diverts their attention

1034
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:50,640
from the reality of the situation

1035
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:52,080
but um the other problem i think in

1036
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,760
ufology is the

1037
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:55,679
kind of like charlatans involved uh you

1038
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,880
know people just coming out with

1039
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,080
absolute bs

1040
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:00,480
which makes life which makes life very

1041
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:02,240
very difficult and kind of you know

1042
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:05,279
and miserable for genuine hard-working

1043
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:09,040
um you know more conservative uh

1044
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:10,560
ufologists who are actually doing a very

1045
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,919
very good job and trying to uncover the

1046
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:13,280
truth

1047
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:15,359
and uh since uh we're on this track i

1048
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,800
did want to ask you about this i told

1049
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:18,399
chant that i wanted to ask you and

1050
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,079
uh this seems as good a time as any to

1051
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:22,480
bring it up uh over the last couple days

1052
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:23,599
the former head of

1053
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:25,760
israel's defense ministry space

1054
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:28,159
directorate and i'm sure you can give a

1055
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:29,760
little bit of background on

1056
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:31,440
how important that uh particular

1057
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:33,440
position is but he's the former head

1058
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:36,720
uh heim a shed has uh gone on record so

1059
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:37,839
he's a credible guy

1060
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,919
he did hold that position and he's

1061
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:41,839
saying some pretty extraordinary things

1062
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:42,399
how

1063
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:44,800
uh the extraterrestrials have been in

1064
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:46,159
contact with us

1065
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:48,159
that uh you know there's this uh

1066
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:50,879
galactic federation out there

1067
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,520
uh humans need to reach a stage where

1068
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:55,440
we'll understand what the space and

1069
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:56,639
spaceships are

1070
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,760
and uh so on and so forth uh

1071
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:01,359
can you tell us a little bit about the

1072
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:03,440
importance of that particular position

1073
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:05,599
and uh in your studies of the middle

1074
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:08,240
east uh have you come across mr ashed i

1075
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:08,880
did find

1076
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:12,160
one story online from about maybe a

1077
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:13,040
decade ago

1078
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:15,520
where he was talking about israelis or

1079
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,240
israel's

1080
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:18,320
missile defense systems uh falling

1081
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:20,480
behind technology wise so

1082
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,240
uh he's uh he's he i i was frankly

1083
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,240
shocked uh to see this but uh

1084
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,560
i was all i was really questioning

1085
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:30,480
whether or not the story was legitimate

1086
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,880
it's so

1087
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:32,720
out there uh do you have any thoughts on

1088
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:35,119
what happened with all that

1089
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:37,040
yeah i mean to be honest i'm not uh i

1090
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:38,400
wasn't familiar with the guy before the

1091
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:40,320
story broke i did actually reach out to

1092
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:42,240
uh somebody at the basis center the

1093
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:44,079
beginning of that center today

1094
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:46,000
uh to ask them if they knew if they knew

1095
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:47,760
him they said they knew of him

1096
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,599
and i said well what do you make of the

1097
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:51,359
the claims that that he's been making

1098
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:52,079
and the guy

1099
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:53,599
could have intimated what i don't know

1100
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:54,800
is he having a kind of like a senior

1101
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,160
moment maybe a bit of a mid-life or a

1102
00:36:01,510 --> 00:36:00,240
advanced life crisis i don't know i

1103
00:36:01,990 --> 00:36:01,520
don't really know enough about it to be

1104
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:02,000
honest

1105
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:03,599
um i've been doing a lot of other stuff

1106
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,599
the last couple of days and it's already

1107
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:07,440
been picked up by you know the jerusalem

1108
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,880
post and others so really i'm kind of

1109
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:10,160
like behind the curve on that and i'm

1110
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:11,520
waiting to see what other people pick up

1111
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,079
on it

1112
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:14,880
uh can you can you confirm that uh being

1113
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:16,640
the uh the head of israeli

1114
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,880
uh israel's uh defense ministry space

1115
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:20,000
director uh

1116
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,839
that seems like it would be a fairly

1117
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:23,520
important position

1118
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:25,280
yeah absolutely and i mean he came from

1119
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:27,440
from what i understand he came from he's

1120
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:29,440
a colonel in uh

1121
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:31,599
israel's military intelligence he spent

1122
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:33,200
a lot of time a lot of time in technical

1123
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:34,320
intelligence obviously because of his

1124
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:35,839
scientific background as well

1125
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:38,240
so if all that is the case and the guy

1126
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:40,240
is legit i can't say that he is because

1127
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:41,839
you know i've never heard of them before

1128
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,920
yesterday um then yeah that would be

1129
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:45,359
pretty significant for someone of his

1130
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:51,670
okay uh so i'm gonna go and ask you

1131
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:53,040
another question that is

1132
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,240
uh from ruben uriata state director of

1133
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,320
northern california's mufon chapter

1134
00:37:01,829 --> 00:37:00,240
he said number one should there be a

1135
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:01,839
role for the united nations in

1136
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:06,000
coordinating scientific findings on uaps

1137
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:09,040
um i'd i'd reply should there have been

1138
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:09,760
a role for

1139
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:11,839
you know the world health organization

1140
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:14,079
uh in uh coordinating the response to

1141
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:15,119
covert 19.

1142
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:18,400
uh did they do a good job um

1143
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:26,710
you know they do some good work but

1144
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:28,400
they're reliant they're only as good as

1145
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:28,880
the

1146
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:39,599
btp is keeping we've seen a lot of

1147
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:40,560
problems where

1148
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:41,839
you know if the russians don't agree

1149
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:43,119
with what the americans are saying then

1150
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:44,640
you then you have you know sanctions get

1151
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:45,680
stimmed or

1152
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:48,320
uh you know proposals get um you know uh

1153
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:50,000
proposals don't go through precisely

1154
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:51,359
because there's disagreement between

1155
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:53,839
the you know the u.n security council so

1156
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,800
really i'd say

1157
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:56,160
is there a role for coordinating

1158
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:57,760
scientific findings that the principal

1159
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,119
governments of the world

1160
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:02,160
um you know the best way would be for

1161
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:03,839
them to coordinate scientific finds in

1162
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,200
between them rather than going through

1163
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:07,359
the un as a third party in my view but

1164
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:09,440
as nobody you know in russia china and

1165
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:10,480
the united states

1166
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,880
is just standing around holding hands

1167
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:14,320
and singing kumbaya i don't see that

1168
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:15,839
happening for quite a long time

1169
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:18,880
got it the number two question is uh

1170
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:21,200
should there be more cooperation and

1171
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:22,079
sharing data

1172
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:24,480
among world governments and various

1173
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:26,079
international agencies

1174
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:29,760
i think he means uap related data

1175
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:31,520
um not a few of the russians and the

1176
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,030
and uh yeah just don't actually hear

1177
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:39,599
that but oh yeah uh not fa you want the

1178
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:41,280
russians and the chinese today okay and

1179
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:41,920
then but

1180
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:44,160
yeah jumping uh jumping question there's

1181
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:45,280
a third question

1182
00:39:10,390 --> 00:38:48,320
and that is should these findings be

1183
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:15,190
there we go

1184
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:17,920
well so far so good chad yes thank you

1185
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:20,000
that's just a good question there i just

1186
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:21,280
have to ask it it's

1187
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:24,000
it's really fast so i apologize oh

1188
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:25,119
that's okay

1189
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:28,160
um so the uh should these findings be

1190
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:29,680
shared with the entire world community

1191
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:31,280
is the third question and what are the

1192
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:32,640
repercussions

1193
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:35,920
when he says these findings he means uap

1194
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:39,440
related data so the third question is

1195
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:41,200
should these findings be shared meaning

1196
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:42,480
ua uap

1197
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,480
related data with the entire world

1198
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:46,720
community and what are the repercussions

1199
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:47,040
if

1200
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:55,200
russians had a decisive advantage in

1201
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:57,119
tic-tac-toe the chinese had a decisive

1202
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:58,800
advantage why would they want to share

1203
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:00,000
it with the rest of the world

1204
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:02,400
um and potential adversaries nobody

1205
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:03,920
would if you've got a

1206
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:06,240
you know a major technological advance

1207
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:07,200
that's going to give you a decisive

1208
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:08,400
military advantage you're not going to

1209
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:09,440
share that with anybody else

1210
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:10,000
unfortunately

1211
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,200
that's the situation that we find

1212
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:13,520
ourselves in um and i'm glad you said

1213
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:14,720
that thank you

1214
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:17,680
i mean in an ideal in an ideal world um

1215
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:19,040
you know mankind would be joining

1216
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,960
together to embrace you know a possibly

1217
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,079
benign

1218
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:24,720
uh you know other civilization uh

1219
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,800
superior intelligence that can help us

1220
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,560
hopefully if it's benign and you know

1221
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,240
resolve all the problems of the world

1222
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:32,400
from slavery to starvation to the

1223
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:33,520
environment

1224
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:36,160
um but i don't see that as the case uh

1225
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,960
you know

1226
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:38,400
the the major powers of the world aren't

1227
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:40,160
holding hands they're not friendly so i

1228
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,200
don't see any of them

1229
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,280
are going to share uh uap data between

1230
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:45,200
them the americans

1231
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,480
and the western alliance are going to

1232
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:48,319
share information between them because

1233
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:49,440
they're in an alliance but

1234
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:50,319
they're not going to share them with the

1235
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:52,160
russians and the chinese yeah we don't

1236
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:54,400
live in a utopian world that's for sure

1237
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:55,760
i'm sorry frank what question

1238
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:58,160
yeah i did i want to jump in regarding a

1239
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,640
quote that i picked up from louisando

1240
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:02,400
this isn't exact but uh

1241
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:04,960
it's uh accurate in terms of uh you know

1242
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:06,240
essentially the uh

1243
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:08,960
uh the gist of it he had said that if in

1244
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:09,599
fact the

1245
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:13,280
russians or chinese do have the kind of

1246
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:16,160
technology that's proved evident in some

1247
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:18,079
of these uap encounters

1248
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:21,440
that if they did it would represent uh

1249
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:23,920
an enormous uh failure of u.s

1250
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,119
intelligence uh

1251
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:27,520
uh can you expand on that uh do you

1252
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:29,040
agree with it disagree with it would

1253
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:30,640
qualify it

1254
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:32,800
well he's absolutely right and i can't

1255
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:34,000
rule it out but at the same

1256
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:37,359
time i don't have i don't have uh

1257
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:40,480
you know i'm not privy to american in

1258
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,760
or western intelligence analyses on uh

1259
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:45,200
chinese or russian technological

1260
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:48,079
advancement nor am i privy to uh

1261
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:49,440
you know counterintelligence

1262
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:51,040
investigations which would uncover the

1263
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:51,839
extent of

1264
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,839
uh chinese and russian espionage against

1265
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:55,280
the united states so i can only you know

1266
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:56,640
give you a guesstimate

1267
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:58,400
um i personally don't think the russians

1268
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:59,680
are the chinese have it because if they

1269
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:01,200
did you know as i said before then

1270
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:02,640
you know they would use the technology

1271
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:03,760
if you look at the history of like

1272
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:05,359
secret weapons like world war one the

1273
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,800
tank came out the brits used that to

1274
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:08,640
break the stalemate on the western front

1275
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:10,160
if you look at world war ii hitler you

1276
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:12,079
know you had all these secret weapons v1

1277
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:13,680
v2 he used them because he didn't want

1278
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,480
to lose the war

1279
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:16,480
you know jet aircraft appeared in world

1280
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,319
war ii they're originally secret

1281
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,880
um after the um you know to end the war

1282
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:22,319
against the japanese the americans had

1283
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:23,520
this massively secret project the

1284
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:24,560
manhattan project

1285
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,560
get to develop the atomic bomb they

1286
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:28,319
ended up using that secret weapons end

1287
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:30,000
up getting used stealth ended up getting

1288
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:31,119
used in the first golf ball it was

1289
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:32,640
relatively secret before that so if

1290
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:34,079
you've got a decisive advantage and

1291
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:35,359
you've got like a major water fight

1292
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,280
you're going to use it

1293
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:39,680
interesting very good and uh yeah

1294
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:40,800
another question

1295
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:43,280
that i have for you excuse me uh what uh

1296
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:46,319
uh we're hearing so much uh regarding

1297
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:49,760
uh uaps uh these days is that uh

1298
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:52,960
uh it's uh what's going on now

1299
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:55,280
is a what is uh of tantamount importance

1300
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:57,040
and i do notice that

1301
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:00,240
you mentioned uh project uh blue book in

1302
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,640
your paper that uh you talked a little

1303
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:04,160
about sign and grudge

1304
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:07,760
predating all that uh what uh we've got

1305
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,560
these historical encounters with ufos

1306
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,480
that are basically doing the same thing

1307
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:14,560
that everybody's up in arms about

1308
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:18,079
they're flying over sensitive air space

1309
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:21,680
fighter jets are uh you know sorted out

1310
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,079
they they scramble out they go out they

1311
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:26,400
encounter them they get reasonably close

1312
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:29,359
and then the the ufo takes off i mean

1313
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:30,800
this uh this goes back

1314
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:33,920
realistically uh 75 years

1315
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:36,720
uh but i don't see the the same sense of

1316
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:37,599
history

1317
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:39,200
that this is something that's been going

1318
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:42,079
on so long in the discussions that

1319
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:44,319
uh we're having in general today and

1320
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:46,079
again i want to qualify that because

1321
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:50,160
you talked about it in your paper but uh

1322
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,520
yeah not that just in ufos but also in

1323
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:55,680
any kind of international issues in

1324
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:56,800
general

1325
00:44:01,349 --> 00:44:00,160
how big a history does does history or

1326
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:01,359
how big a role

1327
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:04,880
in current events and the thinking of

1328
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,319
people who are making important

1329
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,640
decisions about these types of

1330
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:10,480
international interactions how big a

1331
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:11,839
role does history play

1332
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:14,240
is it uh underestimated should it play

1333
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,839
uh more of a history can you talk about

1334
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:17,680
that a little bit

1335
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:20,400
with specific reference to sort of ufos

1336
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:20,880
well yeah

1337
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:23,520
ufos and i mean even in general uh you

1338
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:24,480
know uh do

1339
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:26,240
uh do the world leaders uh when they're

1340
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:28,240
talking about uh anything and everything

1341
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,599
uh do they pay enough attention to

1342
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:31,280
history do you think

1343
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:32,640
probably the world leaders don't but

1344
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:34,400
their analysts do uh okay if we're

1345
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,920
talking specifically to some of you at

1346
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:37,440
ufos and uap

1347
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:38,880
um i think it's you know incredibly

1348
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:40,000
important you know some of the you know

1349
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,200
the older cases

1350
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:43,119
um effectively you know sort of in the

1351
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:44,720
modern area i guess like you know seven

1352
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:45,839
decades of

1353
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:47,680
of cases i think the difference is you

1354
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:49,359
know a lot of people now for them

1355
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:51,040
for people younger people especially

1356
00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:52,800
it's like you know sort of modern

1357
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:55,359
ufology started in uh you know 2004 with

1358
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:56,800
nimitz but that's not the case

1359
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:58,880
i think but in in the modern era i think

1360
00:45:00,870 --> 00:45:00,000
what it is i mean obviously you've got

1361
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,880
you know

1362
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:02,319
you've got completely different sensors

1363
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,319
radars are far more sophisticated

1364
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:06,640
aircraft sensors ship sensors satellite

1365
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:07,680
sensors everything's far more

1366
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,480
sophisticated

1367
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:10,079
and also as well if you look at uh you

1368
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:11,440
know for civilians you know everybody's

1369
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:13,040
got a smartphone people have got like

1370
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,520
you know

1371
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:15,920
telescopes people have got to buying

1372
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:16,960
skyhub now

1373
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:19,599
you know which uh bob mcguire has been

1374
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:20,319
you know uh

1375
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:23,040
instrumental in helping develop so um

1376
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:24,240
now you've got technologies

1377
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:25,760
which used to be slowly the preserve of

1378
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:27,440
the military are basically you know now

1379
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:29,040
in the civilian sphere so that everybody

1380
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:30,800
can can be watching this guy

1381
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:33,760
so yeah and i'm really glad that you've

1382
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:35,280
said all that because that segues very

1383
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,040
neatly into something

1384
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:39,280
that we kind of uh communicated a little

1385
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:40,240
bit about

1386
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:43,839
uh earlier and that is uh ufo historian

1387
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:46,480
jan aldrich had mentioned a general

1388
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,119
comment

1389
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,599
about uh current ufology he had stated

1390
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:51,359
uh ufo history

1391
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:55,200
didn't start for like you said

1392
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:56,560
along this line one of the best

1393
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:59,040
investigative cases uh uh

1394
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:01,599
one of the best investigated case was

1395
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:02,480
minnow

1396
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:05,119
uh frank do i do i pronounce it mono air

1397
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:07,119
force base or minat i don't know how to

1398
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:08,000
pronounce that

1399
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:10,720
why not i think is what it is thank you

1400
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:11,599
i know i

1401
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:14,160
butchered that totally thank you guys

1402
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:17,359
montana october 25th 1968 with radar

1403
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:18,160
photos

1404
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:20,160
uh it has been investigated by tom

1405
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,240
tullian with some assistance from

1406
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:24,640
jan aldrich and others and completely

1407
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:25,920
reinvestigated by

1408
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:28,480
abc news from scratch when lieutenant

1409
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:30,160
colonel matson

1410
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:32,480
from aaron's space museum in new mexico

1411
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:33,839
saw the radar photo

1412
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:36,720
he easily saw what happened on the radar

1413
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:39,280
this case is in the too hard box

1414
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:41,440
for both ufo advocates and skeptics to

1415
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:43,040
avoid this case because it is too

1416
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:44,960
complex

1417
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:47,599
so actually jan did have a question for

1418
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:48,400
you

1419
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,839
but he just wanted to make another

1420
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:51,680
comment and that is

1421
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:54,240
ufo uh history books ufos in government

1422
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:55,440
by dr michael

1423
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:57,920
swords and robert powell five years in

1424
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:58,720
the writing

1425
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:01,040
recommended by the agency which uh

1426
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,520
passes on books for university libraries

1427
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,920
all the usual suspects have it harvard

1428
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,520
yale northwest etc

1429
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:09,599
ufo history on the cheap you know

1430
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:11,599
meaning you can buy these books are

1431
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:13,920
the report on ufos by captain edward

1432
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:14,720
rupelt

1433
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:18,560
ufo evidence uh uh edited by richard

1434
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:19,200
hall

1435
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:21,599
ufo cover up by barry greenwood and his

1436
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:22,640
question to you is

1437
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:25,200
one of his questions is during commander

1438
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:27,440
favors chase

1439
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:30,800
his radar was jammed fravor said this

1440
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:32,000
was an hour

1441
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:35,839
of war frank can you comment on this

1442
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:38,800
yeah um for a military pilot if you have

1443
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:39,760
uh

1444
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:42,480
um electronic warfare used against you

1445
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:44,880
like your radar jammed or if you have uh

1446
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,960
for example a target lock on a missile

1447
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:48,240
actively locked onto you

1448
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:50,400
then that's an act of war in the context

1449
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:52,240
of a carrier strike group

1450
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:54,160
a the commander of the commanding

1451
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,760
officer of the carrier strike group

1452
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:57,599
in that event if one of his aircraft is

1453
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:58,960
locked onto or

1454
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:01,200
the ships or the aircraft start

1455
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:02,960
experiencing jamming then

1456
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:04,960
he will consider an act of war and he

1457
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,000
has the ability to

1458
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:08,800
act on that that is considered natural

1459
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:11,520
thank you very much

1460
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:13,200
and then another question that jen

1461
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:14,880
aldrich has for you is

1462
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:18,880
could you comment on the et hypothesis

1463
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:23,680
and not man made the uh et hypothesis as

1464
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:25,119
uh cited in your

1465
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:28,880
in your paper yeah i mean the

1466
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:31,599
the eth as i used it was uh you know

1467
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:32,880
very simply means

1468
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,400
uh you know from the same time frame

1469
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:38,400
from uh you know same sort of physical

1470
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:40,000
universe but just not from here

1471
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,839
from a different point in space so

1472
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:43,680
effectively the terrestrial uh you know

1473
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:45,280
biological entity or

1474
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:46,880
some entity that's conscious and

1475
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:49,760
intelligent um the truth is i don't know

1476
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:51,920
having spoken you know at length with

1477
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:53,359
colonel john alexander

1478
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:55,119
and all the stuff that i've read i mean

1479
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,800
is it extraterrestrial is it

1480
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:58,160
interdimensional

1481
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:01,200
um if you talk to safati and uh and

1482
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:02,640
and dr masters there you know

1483
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:05,200
potentially thick tack is is technology

1484
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:05,920
from the future

1485
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:08,800
the fact is i don't know maybe somebody

1486
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:09,520
we actually

1487
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:12,559
have reviewed what was the last part of

1488
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:13,839
what you said i didn't hear you

1489
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:15,040
i was gonna say maybe somebody on

1490
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,040
special access program knows but even

1491
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:19,440
uh dr eric davis in the in the alejandra

1492
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:20,720
rockers interview he's like well we

1493
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:23,119
don't know where they're from so

1494
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:25,440
tell us where they're from very good

1495
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:27,599
points yeah we've actually had the

1496
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:29,680
privilege and uh pleasure of

1497
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:30,720
interviewing dr

1498
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:34,319
michael uh masters and then also uh

1499
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,440
colonel uh john alexander

1500
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:39,680
both wonderful people and also just

1501
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:41,200
wanted to read a little bit

1502
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:43,520
regarding the paper that you wrote says

1503
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:45,359
old school ufo weapons

1504
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:47,040
theories respected old school

1505
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,160
aeronautical engineer dr paul r hill

1506
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,839
began to collect and analyze ufo

1507
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:53,280
evidence in the 1950s

1508
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:54,960
but could not publish anything ufo

1509
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:56,559
related while employed as a senior

1510
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:57,359
propulsion

1511
00:50:01,750 --> 00:49:59,920
and aeronautics engineering physicist by

1512
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,760
nasa and its predecessor

1513
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:03,680
the national advisory committee of

1514
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:06,559
aeronautics after he died in 1991

1515
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,240
unconventional flying objects was

1516
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,559
finally published hill new ufo

1517
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:12,640
technology so far exceeded

1518
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:14,720
terrestrial technology that ufos could

1519
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:16,800
not be of human design

1520
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:19,680
and he favored the extra uh terrestrial

1521
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:21,200
hypothesis

1522
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:23,040
and then it goes on the stage the

1523
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:24,800
advanced technologies relate mainly to

1524
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:26,800
vehicle propulsive fields

1525
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:28,559
being knowledgeable of u.s government

1526
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:30,000
secrets on propulsion

1527
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:31,920
i have known from the start that ufos

1528
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:33,599
could not possibly be of earth

1529
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:35,440
technology manufacturer

1530
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:37,920
unconventional objects employ heat beams

1531
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:39,200
paralyzing beams

1532
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:41,440
and force beams as tools and weapons

1533
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:43,359
generally applied in moderation

1534
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:45,440
the ufo field engine like our atomic

1535
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:46,480
power plants

1536
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:49,119
has the property of being radioactive

1537
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:51,599
ufos have made enough people sick

1538
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:53,839
with the type of with the typical

1539
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:55,760
symptoms of radiation poisoning

1540
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:57,680
it is concluded that the observer is hit

1541
00:51:02,069 --> 00:50:59,920
or missed by the radioactive rays

1542
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:02,079
depending on his proximity and the

1543
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:03,200
sharpness of focus

1544
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:05,200
of the harmful rays as well as whether

1545
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,240
the ufo tilts

1546
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:08,400
so that the rays strike the observer

1547
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:09,599
source paul

1548
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:12,000
r hill unconventional flying objects

1549
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:14,160
hampton roads publishing 1995.

1550
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,599
i think it's really important people

1551
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:17,760
actually read your 58 page paper

1552
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:20,319
you spend a lot of time on it and it's

1553
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:21,280
extremely

1554
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:24,079
extensive and i know you work very very

1555
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:24,559
hard and

1556
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:27,280
hard on it it has a lot of citations and

1557
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:27,839
uh

1558
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:30,240
anyway it's a it's a very educational

1559
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,680
experience to read it

1560
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:33,599
i did have another question for you from

1561
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:34,960
keith basterfield

1562
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:36,720
we all know keith he's a good friend of

1563
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:38,960
ours we've interviewed him before i have

1564
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:40,240
multiple times

1565
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:43,839
and he stated actually he asked you two

1566
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:44,640
questions

1567
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:46,720
he said what started off your interest

1568
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:48,839
in this

1569
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,880
topic i mean my

1570
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:52,800
i suppose my parents originally they

1571
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:54,400
were kind of from the

1572
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:56,160
sort of the the von danican you know

1573
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:57,520
chariots of the gods

1574
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:00,800
uh kind of generation um i've

1575
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:02,400
actually got some books of my parents

1576
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,000
going back to the 1960s which i was

1577
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:05,760
amazed to find like uninvited visitors

1578
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,800
where they were looking at you know

1579
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:08,400
looking at ufos

1580
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:09,599
i was always brought up to have a kind

1581
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:12,160
of open mind about it um

1582
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,920
i was always interested i read like

1583
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:15,599
timothy good books and then i got into

1584
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:17,280
kind of richard dolan

1585
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,640
i really kind of got the bug for it

1586
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:20,319
about three years ago getting you know

1587
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:20,880
more

1588
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:24,240
into richard dolan's work

1589
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:26,079
um and then what actually got me wanting

1590
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:27,920
to write the paper i was actually very

1591
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,200
inspired by um

1592
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:31,440
keith himself both by richard dolan's

1593
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:32,800
work and also by keith though he was

1594
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:34,640
talking on erica luke's channel

1595
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:36,800
and he was talking about mentorings of

1596
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:38,480
you know ufologists and new people to

1597
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:39,119
the field

1598
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,880
and he basically said like find a topic

1599
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:42,160
that interests you

1600
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:43,200
something maybe that other people

1601
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:44,480
haven't covered and kind of go for it

1602
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:45,839
start researching it and see where you

1603
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:46,640
can go with it

1604
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:48,160
and that really inspired me and that

1605
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:49,200
made me think well actually hey i've

1606
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:50,480
been writing about middle east stuff but

1607
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:51,760
actually i'm really interested i like to

1608
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:53,119
write something about uap

1609
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:54,880
and that kind of inspired me to still

1610
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:56,640
want to write about it

1611
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:59,599
yeah yeah let me jump in real quick here

1612
00:53:02,069 --> 00:53:00,400
and uh

1613
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:02,079
frank with your background in

1614
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,000
intelligence uh i'm

1615
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:06,240
i'm sure we certainly do it all the time

1616
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:07,599
here we've got to do it we don't have

1617
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:08,960
too much choice really

1618
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:11,280
is you've got to make assessments based

1619
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:14,240
on incomplete data sets and

1620
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:16,319
uh since over the last three years

1621
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:17,839
obviously things have really picked up

1622
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:19,599
regarding the ufos

1623
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:22,000
but what we're hearing about actual

1624
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:24,000
cases is we've got the nimitz case of

1625
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,000
course so we've got the roosevelt case

1626
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:28,720
uh where the two videos came out and uh

1627
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:29,280
uh

1628
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:34,079
believe his first name was daniel if i

1629
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:35,359
uh remember correctly

1630
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:38,000
uh uh talked about uh their sighting uh

1631
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:40,319
that was around 2015

1632
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:42,240
and within the last week or so and other

1633
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:43,359
stories come out

1634
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:46,640
about a possible uh uh uh photograph

1635
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:48,400
that was taken

1636
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:52,000
uh perhaps uh uh from a uh a jet uh

1637
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:54,960
going off the uh dwight eisenhower so

1638
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:56,240
we're hearing about maybe

1639
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:59,280
three and uh maybe another one i've got

1640
00:54:02,069 --> 00:54:01,040
uh i've got it confirmed from a good

1641
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:02,079
source that

1642
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:04,480
uh they they did look at the

1643
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:06,319
stephenville case which took place in

1644
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:08,000
texas in 2008

1645
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:09,839
so you're talking about less than a

1646
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:11,200
handful of actual

1647
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:13,920
cases and it's a very uh with an

1648
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:15,760
incomplete data set like that

1649
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:18,000
uh all you can really do is look at this

1650
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:19,680
ufo subject and say

1651
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:22,160
well they can't be happening that often

1652
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,839
these really extraordinary cases they

1653
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:25,359
can't be happening that often

1654
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:27,440
or we'd be living in a different world

1655
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:29,440
but they're happening often enough

1656
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:31,520
so can you can you speak to me a little

1657
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:33,760
bit and maybe provide some advice

1658
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:36,480
for the folks at home how do you handle

1659
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,079
incomplete data sets uh when you're

1660
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:40,880
looking to assess something

1661
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:43,760
yeah that's the problem um you basically

1662
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:44,319
realize

1663
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,240
sometimes you know sort of gut instinct

1664
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:48,000
uh you look at what's actually happened

1665
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:48,480
before

1666
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:50,079
try and piece together does it follow a

1667
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:51,760
pattern is it does it follow a pattern

1668
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:53,200
of something that's happened before

1669
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:54,640
if somebody presents you with a bit of

1670
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:57,359
information uh does it fit with

1671
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,480
you know the overall kind of like

1672
00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:00,640
reality uh does it fit with what you've

1673
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:02,799
heard before from other people

1674
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:04,880
just on cases another great case that we

1675
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:06,079
should forget about is the

1676
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:09,680
aguadi uh uh puerto rico case

1677
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:12,559
um yeah yeah yeah yeah which showed the

1678
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:13,520
uh you know the

1679
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:16,240
trans-medium craft which was actually

1680
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:18,559
really fantastic case

1681
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:20,799
in terms of data sets i think uh you

1682
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:21,599
know people like the

1683
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:27,510
for uap yeah yeah for us i mean they've

1684
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:29,839
done absolutely fantastic work yeah with

1685
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:32,160
the with the resources that they have

1686
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:33,760
and with the data sets that they've been

1687
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,640
provided with

1688
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:36,480
and i definitely recommend anybody to uh

1689
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:37,920
to go and look at their site

1690
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:39,359
and actually i'm thinking about um you

1691
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:41,040
know approaching them myself because uh

1692
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:43,040
they're really really impressive bunch

1693
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:45,119
yeah so what people yeah richard rich

1694
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:47,040
hoffman was a really accessible guy so

1695
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:48,480
yeah you should have no problem talking

1696
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:52,549
heavily i referenced him heavily in my

1697
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:54,640
in my paper um

1698
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,160
but i think that's really the way ahead

1699
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:58,640
um you know organizations like that i

1700
00:56:01,190 --> 00:56:00,000
mean they're really taking it uh you

1701
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:01,200
know to the edge

1702
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:04,319
in terms of the uh you know studies

1703
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:06,160
so to our listeners uh if you're

1704
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,079
interested in what uh frank is talking

1705
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:10,160
about here what you do is you look up

1706
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:12,720
the scu which is a scientific coalition

1707
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:14,799
for uaps go ahead frank sorry

1708
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:17,920
uh yeah i just uh wanted to ask a a

1709
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:20,079
little bit of a follow-up question and

1710
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:21,760
uh you know what i got distracted so i

1711
00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:22,400
forgot it

1712
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:25,040
oh i'll jump back in before we get yeah

1713
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:26,480
go ahead with what you got

1714
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:28,079
that part two question that keith

1715
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:30,559
basterfield had for um

1716
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:32,960
frank and that is have you had any

1717
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:35,920
official response from anyone in israel

1718
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:38,880
and if so can you please touch upon that

1719
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:40,960
topic

1720
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:44,400
yeah i've spoken to um

1721
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:47,599
i've spoken to uh sort of a

1722
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,040
former israeli air force um

1723
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:53,839
person but um i i'm not able to share

1724
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:55,040
anything about that

1725
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,760
um the focus of the paper i you know i

1726
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:59,040
had it published with an israeli think

1727
00:57:01,829 --> 00:56:59,520
tank that

1728
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:01,839
there wasn't any focus on on israel at

1729
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:03,359
all some people said oh why isn't it

1730
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:04,720
focused on israel well if you look at

1731
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:06,559
the title it says the pentagon's uap to

1732
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:07,599
task force right

1733
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,799
like not tel aviv or the israeli um

1734
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:12,480
you know the israel the israeli the

1735
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,040
israeli uh defense forces uh

1736
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:17,359
you know uap task force so it's focused

1737
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:18,400
on very much on you know what's

1738
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:19,839
happening uh you know in the american

1739
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:20,319
side

1740
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:24,559
any response from for anyone in israel

1741
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:25,440
and to be honest

1742
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:27,440
i didn't approach anybody in israel so i

1743
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:29,119
had a very specific topic

1744
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:32,319
that i wanted to cover and

1745
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:34,240
uh i think you've made that clear and

1746
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:35,760
also another show when you did an

1747
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,599
interview i wanted to go ahead and also

1748
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:39,359
ask another question

1749
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:42,079
that jeff krauss the state director for

1750
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:44,319
mufon southern california had for you

1751
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:47,599
and he said this please ask frank

1752
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:50,960
what he thinks of my theory that the tic

1753
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:53,359
tacs are merely autonomous drones

1754
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:55,280
that in some instances are used as

1755
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:57,280
diversions to draw anyone interested

1756
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:58,559
away from the real

1757
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:01,200
asset do you have any uh comments you

1758
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:02,960
like to make about that

1759
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:04,240
yeah i mean they could they could very

1760
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:06,160
well be i mean there's this the thing is

1761
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:08,319
throughout history and this goes back to

1762
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:09,839
um you know what we talked about in

1763
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:11,280
terms of like uap history

1764
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:12,480
there have been so many different

1765
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:14,480
sightings of different craft a huge

1766
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:15,520
variety of craft

1767
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:17,760
a huge variety of occupants and so it's

1768
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:18,559
quite possible

1769
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:21,359
i mean uh humans use autonomous drones

1770
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:22,559
right to go to mars

1771
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:24,640
to go to go through the universe to go

1772
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:26,640
to other planets to take cycles from

1773
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:27,359
asteroids

1774
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:29,200
and also as well on earth um you know

1775
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:31,520
whether you know using drone technology

1776
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:33,200
um if you want to instead of putting

1777
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:34,480
people in harm's way you can use

1778
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:36,400
machines to do that right

1779
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:39,680
yeah and now uh jan aldrich

1780
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:41,359
actually did have another question for

1781
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:44,000
you and he asked elizondo

1782
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:46,240
and to a certain extent christopher

1783
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:49,359
mellon spent years talking to ufo people

1784
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:51,839
who have little money understanding our

1785
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:52,799
credibility

1786
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:54,480
instead of scientists and national

1787
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:55,839
security professions

1788
00:59:02,309 --> 00:59:00,480
etc can you please comment on this topic

1789
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:02,319
well i don't know from what i've seen if

1790
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:04,079
you look at unidentified

1791
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:05,359
their programming and they're talking to

1792
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:06,960
a lot of former military professionals

1793
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:08,480
they're talking to pilots i mean

1794
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,920
you know you've got some great witnesses

1795
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:12,000
right there in terms of the ufo people

1796
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:13,200
they talk to they talk to

1797
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:16,160
uh they talk to robert hastings who's

1798
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:16,559
you know

1799
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:19,040
basically the ufo and nukes guru they

1800
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,000
talked to uh

1801
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:22,480
david muller he wrote the fantastic book

1802
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:23,680
on triangle ufos

1803
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:25,200
which had the forward written to it by

1804
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,720
colonel john alexander so

1805
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:28,559
i don't know if i really agree with with

1806
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:30,000
that statement

1807
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:31,119
but then again i don't know all the

1808
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:33,280
other people that they've spoken to true

1809
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:36,319
true right i i understand um frank i

1810
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:38,079
actually had some of your questions did

1811
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:39,520
you want me to read a few of those uh

1812
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:41,200
well i remembered mine i

1813
00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:42,640
just brain cramped a little bit while i

1814
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:44,079
was looking at the board sorry about

1815
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:44,880
that

1816
00:59:51,390 --> 00:59:48,240
sticks uh

1817
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:51,400
in my craw a little bit uh regards uh uh

1818
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:54,240
classification of uh of data uh that

1819
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:56,319
could be useful to the outside world

1820
00:59:59,829 --> 00:59:57,119
pers uh

1821
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:59,839
uh specifically the uh the the science

1822
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,640
community

1823
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:02,880
uh there was an example of this uh this

1824
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:04,720
goes back a ways uh

1825
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:07,280
the navy had apparently mapped the ocean

1826
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:08,000
floor

1827
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:11,040
uh back in the 1930s this actually uh uh

1828
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:12,720
predates world war two

1829
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:15,200
that information was classified for a

1830
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:16,640
long time and it turns out

1831
01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:19,119
uh once it was declassified uh

1832
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:19,839
scientists

1833
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:22,480
were able to get hold of it and uh uh

1834
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:23,040
come up

1835
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:24,880
with some theories uh regarding uh the

1836
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:27,359
earth's crust and continental drift and

1837
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:28,000
all that

1838
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:29,920
uh can you talk a little bit about you

1839
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:32,160
know why things get classified

1840
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:34,960
i think you would agree uh that a lot of

1841
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:36,960
things get classified that don't really

1842
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:38,640
need to be and now can you talk about

1843
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:40,000
that process a little bit

1844
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:42,799
and uh what you think of it well that

1845
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:44,559
specific case about the ocean floor i

1846
01:00:47,349 --> 01:00:46,079
wasn't aware of it but i'd imagine it's

1847
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:47,359
because you know they don't want to give

1848
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:48,960
advantage to

1849
01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:50,799
other countries uh navies and

1850
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:52,640
specifically their subsurface fleet

1851
01:01:01,829 --> 01:00:54,880
um yeah there are gonna be cases where

1852
01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:03,190
there are going to be cases where

1853
01:01:07,829 --> 01:01:05,440
countries have uh

1854
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:07,839
uh you know excessive secrecy laws and

1855
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:08,880
my country britain

1856
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:10,400
is one of them um you know they were

1857
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:12,160
late freedom of information

1858
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:14,240
uh about uaps especially whereas other

1859
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:15,920
countries like you know france and italy

1860
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:16,640
were

1861
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:17,920
already being a lot more forthcoming

1862
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:19,440
with their citizens so yeah there's

1863
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:20,880
always going to be cases where there's

1864
01:01:25,510 --> 01:01:23,440
excessive secrecy

1865
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:25,520
okay well i just want to thank frank for

1866
01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:27,839
having been on our show tonight uh

1867
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:29,520
you allowed us to go ahead and ask you

1868
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:31,440
just about anything that we uh

1869
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:34,000
so desired and i really recommend folks

1870
01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:36,160
please do check out his fantastic paper

1871
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:37,520
that he wrote

1872
01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:39,680
and uh you know it's a really

1873
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:41,119
wonderfully written paper

1874
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:44,160
and he worked very hard on it and we

1875
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:45,200
appreciate your

1876
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:46,400
time here we look forward to

1877
01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:48,880
interviewing you again in the future

1878
01:01:52,549 --> 01:01:50,960
thank you both very very much yeah frank

1879
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:52,559
it was great and i would

1880
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:55,359
highly recommend i'll post a link to it

1881
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:55,680
uh

1882
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:57,680
in the file once we get it uploaded over

1883
01:02:01,589 --> 01:02:00,000
on youtube and uh to tell you the truth

1884
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:01,599
you know uh people are coming to this

1885
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:03,920
particular subject all the time

1886
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:05,599
not everybody who's new to it that

1887
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:07,440
started the three years ago

1888
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:09,359
when all this stuff picked up so if

1889
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:10,720
you're looking to play catch up you're

1890
01:02:15,430 --> 01:02:12,079
just getting into it now

1891
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:15,440
uh really i mean it's uh uh well frank i

1892
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:17,520
do want to ask you one question it's

1893
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:19,280
quite a paper but why did you stop if

1894
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:20,720
you'd gone on a little bit longer you

1895
01:02:26,870 --> 01:02:21,280
might have

1896
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:28,470
i had a specific kind of mission in mind

1897
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:29,920
that i wanted to accomplish

1898
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:31,920
and it actually was a lot longer than i

1899
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:34,160
expected it to be initially i was

1900
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:35,280
thinking it would just be like sort of

1901
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:37,920
four pages

1902
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:39,680
it deserved to have it deserved to have

1903
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:41,200
the topics covered properly

1904
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:42,960
yeah but uh seriously if you're looking

1905
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:44,880
to play catch-up on the subject

1906
01:02:49,029 --> 01:02:46,480
that is the paper that you want to read

1907
01:02:50,309 --> 01:02:49,039
i would say i mean really it's all kind

1908
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:50,319
of in there so

1909
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:52,400
uh you know go take a look at it

1910
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:53,440
absolutely

1911
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:55,359
yeah and thank you very much for having

1912
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:57,359
taken the uh time to write it because i

1913
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:58,799
know you didn't just write it one night

1914
01:03:02,470 --> 01:03:00,079
it took a long time

1915
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:02,480
and it took a lot of effort so thank you

1916
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:03,680
thank you both very much

1917
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:05,200
yeah and uh thanks so much for joining

1918
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:06,720
us i really appreciate it

1919
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:09,280
so uh we're gonna wrap up now and uh

1920
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:10,880
thanks everybody for joining us at chant

1921
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:12,400
do we have anything on the agenda for

1922
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:14,000
this weekend

1923
01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:16,400
um we do but we're going to let frank go

1924
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:17,280
now and he'll

1925
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:19,119
just continue talking after you go so

1926
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:20,960
thank you frank very much

1927
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:23,680
much appreciated frank thanks so much um

1928
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:25,440
actually yes we do

1929
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:28,400
have um a special guest he'll be on this

1930
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:29,119
weekend

1931
01:03:32,470 --> 01:03:31,680
and uh i think that we'll have him on on

1932
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:32,480
saturday

1933
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:39,589
well let's just wait because uh you know

1934
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:41,359
saturday's a few days off and anything

1935
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:44,559
yeah that's okay so yeah we've been busy

1936
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:45,359
again lately

1937
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:48,880
i'm kind of glad you brought this up

1938
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:49,760
because on

1939
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:53,039
um december 13th as i stated on our

1940
01:03:55,910 --> 01:03:53,920
other show

1941
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:55,920
i have an end of the year show where i'm

1942
01:03:59,670 --> 01:03:57,119
probably going to have

1943
01:04:01,510 --> 01:03:59,680
about 20 different guests i will have

1944
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:01,520
multiple scientists on that show i think

1945
01:04:07,029 --> 01:04:03,280
i'll have a doctor

1946
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:07,039
and also a police officer and

1947
01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:08,640
many folks who are forensic

1948
01:04:14,470 --> 01:04:10,960
investigators regarding the ufo

1949
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:14,480
uap topic but yeah all of these folks

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have spent

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the better part of their lives or or

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many years dedicated to

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the ufo slash uap topic

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and we'll be covering that end of your

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show

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on december 13th at 4 p.m pacific

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time so invite all of our listeners to

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listen to that

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and i'll be publishing that to my

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channel

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and just thank you very much for having

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us what we're going to cover this week

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because we're

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going to cover two things one is uh

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that's uh we're going to have a

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wonderful special guest on saturday uh

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who's actually known worldwide

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and then i'll be having that end of year

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show myself for my channel the chant

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hannah show

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there we go and then i've got a vacation

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coming up

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uh let's see at the end of next week so

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i'm really looking forward to that

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yeah and maybe we can do a few more

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shows well maybe maybe we probably

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probably will get one or two in anyway

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yeah

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absolutely

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well i did a little bit more on the last

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show and then you kind of carried the

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ball

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on this one but i did have a few

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questions for frank and now he's a great

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guest

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absolutely yeah so i hope we hear more

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from him as time goes on

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i just want to tell our guests if you

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heard anything in the background i can

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tell you what that was

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he has little kitties little cats

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taken care of and sometimes they get a

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little rambunctious

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and uh yeah he was just telling us

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earlier how his headset was destroyed by

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one of them so

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i mean i don't know if our listeners

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have had cats but

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i have i've had to take care of uh

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little little kitties uh he has little

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little babies and

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some cats and uh i know they'll like

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hang on me

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or you know they'll hang on stuff or

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they'll just with their claws or their

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teeth just destroy stuff

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in a tenth of a second so you have to

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like take care of that pretty quickly

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cats are a threat yeah right they're

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actually they're real threats

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but anyway thank you so much yeah it was

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a really lovely show

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yeah i appreciate it chant and uh let me

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uh get off the air let's uh wrap

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everything up

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i guess uh looks like i will uh 99

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chance

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we'll be doing something this weekend so